Kunstkamera

Hi there!

I hope I am not the onlyone who is bored to live in Skandinavia.
Well I know, what a wellfare county we have here, but also such a grey and cold weather, rainy summers...Life is only duties and many expectations because I am young woman. No pace for passion and love in this country.

I don´t know why, but life in Egypt and warmes countries seem much more nice. Even peole don´t earn maybe much money, sun, sea, social circumstances...It makes you to smile. Family supports you and people take care of each other.

Live is concidered as a cheerful thing, not only making career and being busy, like in Skandinavia.

And those men...I am educated, experienced woman, but still my heart bumbs twice when I see handsome, dark, masculen egyptian man. Why?
Hormones, genes, biological facts...?
White, skinny men don´t make me feel the same!
Is there some one who agrees with me. I would like to read your feelings and opinions

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"The truth will make you free"

hi little "poor" scandinavian girl,

when i read your words, i felt very angry, because your words sound so naive!
your words could be written by egyptian cheaters hunting for vivtims!
you say that scandinavian men would be so unattractive... then go to hurghada and you will find the fairy-tale-prince of your "dreams"!- many bad guys are waiting there for girls like you!
to your words:


"I donґt know why, but life in Egypt and warmes countries seem much more nice. Even peole donґt earn maybe much money, sun, sea, social circumstances...It makes you to smile. Family supports you and people take care of each other.

Live is concidered as a cheerful thing, not only making career and being busy, like in Skandinavia.

And those men...I am educated, experienced woman, but still my heart bumbs twice when I see handsome, dark, masculen egyptian man. Why?
Hormones, genes, biological facts...?
White, skinny men donґt make me feel the same!"

oh god in heaven!-when reading this i can`t believe my eyes!-have you ever heard about any cheater-story!-i don`t think so!"

PLEASE WAKE UP AND THROW AWAY YOUR PINK GLASSES!

with best regards,
hekate

Hi all and Hekate!

Let me explain couple of things before getting more angry;)
I do know that there are many cheaters in Egypt. I have known this all my life and is the reason I have never had a relationship, one night stand, anything...with a arab muslim. I wouldn´t ever get married with arab muslim. I think before act.

So maybe I am not so naive.. I would think twice if I would meet educated deeply christian arab.
Actually I have met one, but we are just friends.

My advice to avoid cheaters, is not to have sex.
When I tell to arabs who are flirting to me, I am not going to have sex before I am married, they start to appreciate me in totally new way and most will leave me alone. Easy:)

I have met cheaters and really awful men, but surprise in my ho home country!! So all shitty ones does not live in Egypt. They are everywhere:(
There are also lot violense, mental, and physical in my country. I really don´t know which culture makes women in average happier, arabic or western?!

Different culture and distance etc make challenges, but in the end it is about two persons, reality, love, willingness to fix things etc...In my country half of the marriages end up to divorce. So who I am to judge another countries. Each cuntry has varying problems.

Please don´t judge all arabs, there are all kinds of people in every country. There are happy marriages between westeners and arabs, I know.


Best way to get rid of those pain in my ass cheaters would inform ALL women to stay away from them. What you order is what you get. If there were no women believing those lies, having sex, giving money..There wouldn´t be those men either!!

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"The truth will make you free"

hello littlemermaid,

it makes me feel better, when i read your last statement.
i think we all know that bad people are all over the world, but the cheating of women is a big "business" in hurghada. i do not want to know how many hotels were built on such "blood-money"... i think it is equal to mafia. in my eyes it is mafia, because in no other business men can "earn" so easy so much money!
this egyptian "bezness" contains drugs, prostitution and all devil`s thoughts.

to your words:"I would think twice if I would meet educated deeply christian arab."

let me tell you that having a relationship to a coptic egyptian does not mean a 100% "honest" relation.
egyptian christians could be cheaters, too!

with best regards,
hekate

p.s.: i know that coptic men are not allowed to have sex before being married and they have the christian symbol as a real tattoo on their arms. they prefere the usa as the land of their dreams.

Hi there!

Yes, I know that being christian may not change people..
Hekate, do you know more about koptics?
How does it differ from western churches?
If you know koptic people are you able to see any difference comparing to muslims, especially men..?
I think being christian means usually in arabic countries that you are 100%christian. In Europe being christian can be only something to born with with no deeper or personal meaning.


-Littemermaid

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"The truth will make you free"

littlemermaid, please, come back on Earth till it's too late. Not all of our guys are skinny and white, there are plenty of dark and handsome ones . Live your own life, be happy.
In Russia we have a proverb, literal translation of which means something like: "The best places are always those, where we can't be".

Hekate, good day to you. I wish she'll be cured one day, all of us thought the same way once... But it's better to wake up before it's too late.
How are you?

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"И только кошка гуляет сама по себе, и лишь по весне - с котом..." (с)

hello grey kitty,

i am fine, thank you! -i hope, that you are fine, too!

hello little mermaid,

here is a link where you can read about coptic christians. it is written in german and in english language:


http://www.kopten.de/index_ie.htm Kopten

i know some women who have (had) a relationship to coptic egyptians.
one woman told about her coptic marrige.-first she had to change her religion(99% of coptic families only do accept coptic partners for marriage).
she had to make the traditional "whole- body-hair-away" torture !! she used the traditional paste made of lemons and suggar...
i think the coptic egyptians are much stricter in practicising their christian religion, than the westerner christians.

with best regards,
hekate

p.s.: since i was in hurghada and met my "habibi" i began to see the german men and my culture and my mentality from another point of view -it was like awaking spring!

p.p.s: little mermaid, do you know that in hurghada, the prayer of the musk prays every friday about the "evil-tourists" and their very bad behaviour?-i know about this from a german person who has heard that "prayer".-that person is perfect in talking and writing the egyptian language(but no egyptian knew this ).

Hello again!

Hih, yeah, I know there are dark men also here...I am just so bored and overreacting a little bit:) It is nice to complain sometimes and be miserable.
And sure it is true darkness and coldness doesn´t make good to you.
In northern parts of my country it is -40 degrees now. So it is quite terrible. I am not the only one who is thinking life somewhere else...
My friend flyes on sunday to Tansania to work voluntary:)

I think you can find love just anywhere. But easiest way is to marry some one from your own country and culture.

Believe I am not naive. Im just writing...No actions yet;)
As I said I never have had sex with abars or dark men, and I have travelled a lot!
I don´t believe what they do say. I am so so hard to get;) Sometimes it is for them hard to believe that.

But I don´t think is bad to dream in a cold winter day. You know sometimes miracles do happen:)
All egyptian men are not bad. But I don´t have any broblem to take man from here or anywhere else.


I am in general thinking working abroad or something. Life here is quite good, but winters are depressing. There are so many ways to live. If you experience many cultures you are able to appreciate each maybe little more.


It would be nice to hear opinions of western girls who have worked or are working in Egypt. like hotels and such.
Does your male collegues respect you etc...?


-Little mermaid

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"The truth will make you free"

hi little mermaid

i have to confirm every word from herkate.
she has 100 % right.
put away the pink glass my dear and see the
reality of the life.
wishing you all the best and take care of yourself.

guest

Hi all!

I really listen to what you all are saying and try to learn, but...
I don´t understand in what point I am naive and should take pink classes away?

It is a fact that there is more pleasant weather, beautiful see and men are more handsome. People are more social and relaxed.
If I am not going to marry muslim man and not even searching a relationship, what´s wrong?


In El Gouna are for example living many western people, because they´v found it nice place to live in and do some business.

Do you say there are no happy marriages between Egyptians and western women?


I don´t know, but in my country 50% of marriages end up to a divorce and I know so so many cheating and abusive assholes also here.

Maybe best idea would be stay away from all men and just enjoy about another things in life !
It is a risk anyway to get in to a marriage. Bigger with egypteans of course.

Is there any site where to read about happy endings:)
Maybe those women don´t have time to write...


-Little mermaid

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"The truth will make you free"

Hi littlemermaid,

I agree you. You are right. Hot southern guys can nice northern women because they are too exotic and they love women. They are good dancers and good Casanovas. Our men are modest and lazy. And when we visit to Egypt or to Turkey we are on holiday, we are happy, funny. We are look beautiful and we need in care from men. What after? Our men drinking raki and southern guy invite us to dance. …
But only our men can be best of all husbands. I’m sure.

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И лучше будь один, чем вместе с кем-попало.

hello littlemermaid,

here another link about coptic people:

http://www.egyptologyonline.com/coptic_egypt.htm


another fact about coptics: men can only marry one woman. they are not allowed to make a divorce! but they are allowed to invalid their marriage.

you wrote that egyptians would be more social and more relaxed...
in this i do not agree with you!
have you ever seen an egyptian who has NO money?-including children who can`t visit school because their parents can`t pay for school?
have you ever met the real poor people there?- i think you only saw the deception of egyptians working in tourism.

do you know the status of illegitimate children in egypt? do you know what happens with them?
do you know that 97% of all egyptian women are cutted? this still happens!!!

a german woman told me about their experience in hurghada:
she was walking along the streets(not that glamour tourists-street of hurghada-that street where tourists do normally never visit-only poor people live there)-suddenly a little egyptian boy was throwing stones to her. the woman asked him why he was doing this(she was married to an egyptian man and she was able to talk in egyptian language). the boy answered: you are a foreigner!-my father is cheating my mother with a foreign woman when she comes to hurghada for their holidays and my mother is suffering!

little mermaid, i know some westerners who are working in egypt- they are happy but they never will be completely accepted by the egyptians because they always will be foreigners!
why should the egyptians say "hello" to foreign people who come to egypt for making business?-the unemployment-rate is very high in egypt!-why should egyptians share there jobs and there money with foreigners who are just bored of there home-countries?

with best regards,
hekate

p.s.: here we have 16 degrees under zero.
if i could, i would make my "habibi" a present: a one -way ticket to scandinavia for winter !

Hello again!

Yes, I know about cutting thing, it is unhuman thing to do!

When I wrote they are more social and relaxed I ment their mentality. Even if my country is wellfare country surveys say, that we are not happy. In every age we got enormous problems, mostly mental and social. Being happy doesn´t maybe mean much money or getting ticket to western countries.

Every country have their rich and poor. We can´t change it. It is sad.
We can also face different kind of isolation and poorness. Some have lack of food and clothes, some have enough, but are mentally alone, don´t have close people what happens often in wellfare societies.

Sharm, Hurghada etc. are only small part of Egypt and people there just a potrait of Egyptians.
There are big variety of all kinds of families, morals and even men in Egypt.


Hekata, I am curious to know. Why did you travel to Egypt? Didn´t you l ike the country at all or made cheating man all look black?

Do you think there is no problems in your country. If you see some, please name some.

In my opinion you can live hell or heaven true in any country. It depends much about your own attitude, people around you, luck...

It would be interesting to hear muslims opinions who have moved to westersn countries. In my country they face lot of rasicm and like Hekate said in Egypt they have lot of unemployment and Egyptians don´t say welcome to tourists working there, we have same attitude in my country. Especially men hate men abroad moving here, marrying "their"women, taking "their" jobs...So merry goes around...Same problems in every country. Some do it more brutal way...

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"The truth will make you free"

hello littlemermaid,

to your words:"Hekata, I am curious to know. Why did you travel to Egypt? Didnґt you l ike the country at all or made cheating man all look black?"

in the year 2001 i travelled to hurhada and met my cheater.
at that time i did not know anything about bezness and cheaters.
i learned to know an egyptian man there(father of my child).i believed in his love and i believed in our future. i had been to egypt for five times.

i made a bad experience with this man(nr.74 at the black list) but i never said that all egyptians would be bad man! i know that hurghada and sharm do not represent egypt! but when i read your first posting it seams to me, that you belong exactly to this kind of tourist-woman who looks into the dark eyes of an egyptian and looses her brain completely!
and i thought that you are not informed about egyptian culture and mentality in any way! i thought that you just were looking for fun and for a handsome exotic lover!

in germany there are a lot of bad things, too-i never said that this would be paradise! i am shure that most egyptian men working at tourism have much more money than many german people! tv does not show the reality of the western world!
but i am shure, that 99% of all egyptian men who are working at tourism are cheaters!

with best regards,
hekate

p.s.: you wrote:"Especially men hate men abroad moving here, marrying "their"women"
but first those men had to change their religion! ...and i am shure that egyptian women who are married to westerners are more happy and more free than vice versa!

Hello Hekata and all!

I am so sorry to hear your story:(
I will tell also one own experience, but little later, I am in hurry now...


-Little mermaid

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"The truth will make you free"

Hello Hekate and everybody!

Here comes story I promised:)

First time I was in Hurghada I said to my friend I am not going to give my phonenumber or even talk to men there, whatever they would do. Well, as you know very many men took contact but I was not interested, just pretended I didn´t hear or see them.

One sunny day I was walking on the street nearby Mc Donald´s. Then it happened... it was like in some movie. So handsome man, that I thought doesn´t even exist walked to me. He didn´t look like others, because he had very expensive suit..
It was like magic, we were just staring eact other.
My friend amazed because also felt that something happened, there was lots of chemistry in the air. Later we laughed abut my promise not to give my number, but it was situation you have maybe once in a lifetime and you just can´t help.

Yes, I give him my phone number and said yes to meet him in the evening.

He showed me his office, he is a lawyer and behaved like westerns. He lives in Cairo, but started business in Hurghada. He seemed very sophisticated.

His english was so bad and I coundn´t really meet him in intelectual level.
For him it seemed enough just to wachh me..

Then he suddenly started to touch me, kiss me and I felt he was horny.
I said no, I don´t want to do anything. He continued. I got really scared. When I almoust shouted stop, he finally realised.

I quess his intention was purely have sex before getting to know.
He was ashamed when he realised what happened. He said, why you were afraid I am a lawyer, how could I do something you don´t want to do? (It was interesting, he felt quilty, so he wasn´t totally coldhearted)
When I said I am not going to have sex before marriage and his attitude changed. He started to ask to marry me, you are woman just what I want,called to her mom and said he will marry me...Wanted me to talk to her mum...

I felt this is not normal and because of his occupation he can´t be stupid, he tries only to use me. No man like him can love me without knowing me.

When I came back to my country and I also told I can´t marry muslim and if I would marry a christian arab man he has to have good skills to communicate in english etc...
He didn´t want to listen what I said. He never answered whrn I asked serious things about him, his purpose for life...You know real things what you share with man before you can even consider having a relationship.

He only sent sms like, youre my only love, I`ll die without you...Typical shit. I was in anger, because my purpose is to show that kind of man what kind western women like I am, not easy, not stupid and that man has to appreciate me much to deserve me. Until today I feel I haven´t succeeded!!

Well, we are still sometimes sending sms to each other. I never send any promises, romantic things, just answering facts why he behaves like this, have you orfy marriages? I think he is pissed and won´t send any sms anymore.

I wonder why still would like to meet me?
Does he think because I am hard to get, he really tries.

Don´t worry, I never trusted him or thought there could be anything real between us.
I just want to share this quite typical story I guess, and hear your analyses:)

I wonder is he married with egyptean or many western women. He has no lack of money so that is not the reason to try to catch me...


-Little mermaid

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"The truth will make you free"

hello littlemermaid,

my experience in egypt was my story, but after all that shit happened i was searching in internet (gigolos in hurghada) and i found community-platforms like kk and other german platforms.
then i read stories of hundreds of women who were cheated by oriental man. in a very bad way!
i hope that community-platforms, like these could some women preserve from cheating!

with best regards,
hekate

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hi i am hassan m23 from egypt i live in hurghada and i like russian woman i am good man and i wiil be happy if you want meet me in hurghada my mobil +20103635377

girls,!!sorry to part in ur conversation but l couldnt be patient when l saw this guy's text...
HASSAN, MY FRIEND, U KNOW, SORRY AGAIN BUT YOU RE A PURE STUPID

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ahhh!-this boy wrote to me a private message, too!
i think he wrote to everybody, here.